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Dragon lady playing with veil fire. :D

Traditional media (watercolour, markers, fineliners and colour pencils), A3 on bristol paper. :)
And lots of Piano Guys while colouring that one. It seemed fitting that she would dance to such music.

Critiques like always highly appreciated. :)
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OVERALL: Great image with calmness and grace.
VISION: 4.0. A fantastical creature at their ease is a fun idea.
ORIGINALITY: 5.0. A lot about who and what the dragon lady is is implied in this one image. Putting enormous hands (in addition to the normal ones) is a fantastic idea.
TECHNIQUE: 4.0. Your use of your media is excellent. Blending the blue of her fire with the chartreuse of the veil dragons' works well.
IMPACT: 3.0. The thumbnail with its shapes and colors draws one's eye.
NOTES: This kind of subject (one thing that is also another: in this case a dread dragon lady conjuring small but dangerous dragons who is also just having fun) is effective here, conveying power/strength at its ease. Having one of the veil dragons going behind would add depth. The veil dragon in front of the dragon lady is a great idea but makes the image visually hard to resolve (or cluttered or messy).
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Lupita-Idis Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2017
Wow !!
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drachenmagier Featured By Owner 5 days ago  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks! :D
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Madlkin48 Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2017  Student Traditional Artist
I love this! It's so pretty!

I like how bright the little dragons (?) are and how it leads into her form. I also like how dark her body is comps to yhem which really makes it pop. And then it all loops back around so your eyes always have a path to follow. It's quite pretty all together.

; \/ ; God I'm doubting whether I should add this comment or not since i'm not a good critic but Imma wing it.
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lone-wolf-forever303 Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Hobbyist Photographer
Beautiful 
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drachenmagier Featured By Owner 5 days ago  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you! :D
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Nortstar Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017
wow it is so pretty :)
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drachenmagier Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks! :D
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Nortstar Featured By Owner 6 days ago
you are welcome:hug:
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Wolf-Of-The-Winter Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017
Wow. Those colours are so cool, and the dynamic is really calming.
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drachenmagier Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you~! :D I always felt the same about dance poses. Not sure what it is, but it makes them seem to flow in a calming way?
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RikkuTakanashi Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's pretty damn cool!
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:icondrachenmagier:
drachenmagier Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you! :D
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Dinoshoes Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2017  Student General Artist

I always try to think of something to add when looking at a piece of work. I asked myself about this piece, is it balanced with most of the elements on the left? I stopped myself right then and there and asked myself does it have to be? Am I trying to find excuses to fix something?

Art is what it wants to be, or in this case what the artist wants it to be.

That being said, I notice you ask for a lot of critiques on your work and I would like to know for which of the following reasons:

    1)      Do you ask for a critique because you want ideas/themes to inspire and add to the image that is already here? To improve upon this single work.

 

If yes: To me it needs nothing, what is here is finished, I look upon it with the knowledge that I would not add a single thing because you have added all it ever needed. Why? It is your art. You decide what it needs.

 

    2)      Do you ask for a critique because you wish to expand outside the box, and you want to grow beyond the style and current way you do things as they are now? To improve upon all the work you create as a whole.

If yes to this question:
Do you feel this style has been taken as far as you wanted? If yes, what is it you are really asking for? If no, what elements on your work would you improve upon if you could? Anatomy, line work, color.

If you don’t know ask this question to yourself what are you trying to achieve in your work, a step closer to photo realism? Then look to real life examples, photos of reptiles, figure drawing, study real life more in textures and colors.

A step closer to a highly detailed yet more simplified style like Jean Giraud aka moebius?

A step closer to cartoons which would mean a lot less texture and a lot more simplification still?

To study these things not as a means to replace what is there but improve you have to in a way forget about what is there. As style is repetition and to grow this way we need to stop repeating everything that exists within our current style by theme and visualization.

 

You can not improve on style if you do not know what it is in fact that make up a style.

Your style to me focuses on movement, ornamentation, anatomy, color, emotion, storytelling, flow, grace, delicate features, intricate details, reptiles, mice, animation, wings and feathers, fantasy, nature, textures, color, light, mystery, magic, notan (exploration of darks and lights), grayscale, values, environments, understanding others through means of stepping out of your world and into theirs, flow of lines or elements, depth, character design, abstraction of realities, creature design, medium exploration. It feels as though you've had a very positive experience learning and you challenge yourself to a healthy dose of hard work with every work or art bringing forth art that is loved and full of the realities of your imagination.

To change style would be to step away from these ideas and themes or add to them creating a new style with fresh ideas and some old themes mixed with new themes.

You grow a lot when you explore ideas that contrast say mechanical things vs living things. Exploring more or all the possible contrasts in art will help you gain levels as an artist and be less afraid of attacking something you don’t think you can draw.

Small note on thinking about what is in the image and how you could improve on it for next time. Now that I have discussed all of this there is a book known as Elemental Magic, Volume I: The Art of Special Effects Animation by Joseph Gilland that might interest you.

Your movement of fire could get a really good work out from studying some ideas from this book of how animators tackle moving fire. You can get kindle on your laptop and download a digital version from amazon. I still need to get me a copy (I rent it from my local library) it is a very nice book.


Watching real life fire dance is also a good way to improve. This works by watching fire and asking questions like why does it move that way, what energy is being released, and how is the energy being released and how is the world around the fire mixing with it and altering its energy. Don’t set anything on fire! I’m more than confident you can find a scientific YouTube video.

Answering with this I implore you to think about elements you want to improve upon so someone with more thought power than I can have an idea for where to start when critiquing.

For example, lets pretend if you were not satisfied with say the fire effect and you wanted to push it beyond what resides in the image for the next work of art, people need to know if the feeling, color, movement of fire is what you want a critique on. They can’t read minds.


I hope this helps my thoughts can get a little jumbled and my words may not always come out with what I am trying to say. I hope you can understand me and :> thank you again for another wonderful work of art and I love her tail! :heart:

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drachenmagier Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Dear ladies and gentlemen: THIS *points* is an awesome critique~! <3 And it does not just make me think about my drawing, but also about the whole process of the creation.

Before I even start to go into details, thank you very much for taking so much of your time, not only analysing the drawing but also writing every thought down. =^^=

I generally encourage people to write their thoughts, even if I won’t agree with them. And critiques are a great option to get input of any kind. Some might use it to make more compliments, but quite often people will point out problems, something I should practice more or even ideas I had not thought about.

Critiques are with that the one thing that got me where I am now. :D

So, never worry if you just try to find excuses to fix something: After all, even just a hint might help me to get something done better next time. Though I rarely do correct mistakes on an already existing image. With traditional media, it’s a lot of work to go over mistakes, so I prefer to just do better next time. ^^

Granted, it is my art, but I stopped drawing for myself a long time ago. It’s far more fun to be able to share, but for the sharing you need a certain level of… the same “language”, if I might use that word for a drawing. And seeing through the eyes of the observer gives me a good idea how they read my drawings. It actually happened quite often that someone pointed out what they thought and I was baffled: I had not imagined one could interpret it that way.

I don’t think I want to go into the direction of photorealism, but I want to take my drawings further. At the moment I just have no idea what this “further” will mean. But I had no idea what it meant 10, 5 or even 3 years ago. :D

Again, thank you for your input. ^^ I think we got at least one of the books you mentioned at the store, so I will take a look. And good point with the fire dancers. :D
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Dinoshoes Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Student General Artist
You are most welcome :>

And on the photo-realism I didn't mean it literally I just meant a step in that direction.

As I see style as being closer to one end of the spectrum that can be as long or short as you want it to be.

Photo-realism<--------------------------------------------------------------All Styles-------------------------------------->Abstraction

As one is the ultimate reflection of life and the other the ultimate reflection of ideas (to the point of obscurity leaving just the essence of emotions and feelings and ideas)

By taking a step closer to realism (studying more real life) you can break it down into style and make your style a closer representation of the real world with your own added flavor.

:)
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Hand-Sam-Art Featured By Owner Edited Feb 11, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Wicked Sweet!

It's like another cross of Maleficent and her dragon form ... I like how the claws on her wings are almost like a second pair of hands, while the green-glowing dragons bring to mind (after a moment) the Minions of Rasputin from "Anastasia"!
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drachenmagier Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you! :D
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Orcaleon Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2017   Digital Artist
Heart by Orcaleon   Heart by Orcaleon  
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drachenmagier Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
:bow:
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DonnaDarling1412 Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2017   Writer
Gorgeous!! :heart:
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drachenmagier Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks. ^^
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Praesidentenkeks Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2017  New Deviant Hobbyist
Superawesome!!!!!
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drachenmagier Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you! :D
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Dragonmyth123 Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2017
wow its a very beautiful Drawing, i can almost hear the Music!
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:icondrachenmagier:
drachenmagier Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you very much! ^^
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Aeghiss Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2017
< se demande ce que signifie veil fire >
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drachenmagier Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I kinda borrowed the term from the game series "dragon age". Veil Fire is magical green fire, normally used to light your way in dungeons. :) Though there is a lot more to the lore than that, if you want to dive into it. Buuut I'm too much of a dragon age fan, if I start to babble I will write a whole novella on it. :'D
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Aeghiss Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017
Hmmm, ok. Très chouette dessin en tout cas. :D
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drachenmagier Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you very much. ^^ No worries, you're not missing any hidden meaning here: I just really liked the green flames. d:
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FoxicornCottoncandy Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2017  Hobbyist
Rly big beautifull artwork :3
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drachenmagier Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you! :D
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ReverendHedge Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2017  New Deviant Hobbyist General Artist
love the colors, the spirit dragons bring it all together!  overall awesome Painting!!!!!
 
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drachenmagier Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you very much! X3
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ZombieChylde Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Wooow, was für eine geschuppte Schönheit. :heart: :heart: :heart:
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drachenmagier Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Vielen Dank~! X3
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ZombieChylde Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Immer wieder gerne. ^-^
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Flaming-Lambo Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I love the way you've used the fingers on her wings to add to the mood. Not a lot of artists use wing fingers in that way. I mean, to a being that has wings, they're just like our arms. 

I think this might look better on a darker background. The white really confuses the eye and you have to work a bit to look at the details. Other than that, she's gorgeous!
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drachenmagier Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you very much. ^^
Hey, if you have an extra pair of hands, you got to use it. I know I would! Mostly to hold extra bags and such stuff... but it would still be useful. d:

I had messed up a similar drawing a short while ago by trying to add a darker background. I guess a completely black one would work again, but just dark is hard to pull off without making it looks confusing. ^^ Black would look good though, I think.
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FantasyRebirth96 Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2017
Really amazing! Looks so awesome! 
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drachenmagier Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you! :D
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FantasyRebirth96 Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017
Oh its alright really^^ Your welcome! Just continue doing your best okay? 
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servetej Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
yay piano guys :D you have good taste in music :meow:
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drachenmagier Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
They are fantastic. ^^ One could say I have a rather diverse taste in music, though. d: Since I was listening to Sabaton right after finishing that dancing dragon lady. :D
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servetej Featured By Owner 2 days ago  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
omg that's an awesome combo, the piano guys and sabaton xD
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drachenmagier Featured By Owner 2 days ago  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
And sprinkles of Rhapsody in between. d:
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theASTORID Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2017  Professional Traditional Artist
The colors are beautiful. She just feels so graceful. This is really beautiful. 
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drachenmagier Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you! ^^
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RagnorokIrons Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2017  Student Traditional Artist
Awesome
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drachenmagier Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks! :3
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RagnorokIrons Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2017  Student Traditional Artist
Np
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